Sean — Bad luck with the purchases, the jump pack especially is truly awful — you should return it. John — As mentioned in a previous reply, I will prime the metal on Tuesday and make a follow up post, it is back in the shop and Monday is a bank holiday. No one seems to have picked up the fact that in the comparrison picture between the metal and resin Chaos champion shown above you can clearly see the bad casting…. Again, 7 out of 10 is a review of the range at large rather than just this particular model.
Most are cast perfectly from looking at the blisters , others are worse than this one see the link provided by Sean. I bought a boxed model yesterday, a Pyrovore, and it was perfect in all respects. Crisp casting, no bubbles at all, almost no flash and the only really visible mould line was on the underside of the model.
No missing parts. The price is still a big issue, of course. Hello Olle — Glad to hear you got a good cast and are happy with the quality. Really a pleasure to work with compared to metals. Finecast is made of win, not resin. This is the biggest scam in the history of miniatures! Shipping costs due to the lightness of the material, actual cost of resin, and the general stupidity of the GW consumer means that bank deposits will have to be carried in large dump-trucks.
I was excited about Finecast…before I saw them. Unfortunately, all pics so far have had wildly disparate but glaring defects equivalent to a typical resin model. Buyers with negative experiences will naturally yell the loudest, but even positive reviews such as this one always seem to depict models with nasty defects. I have yet to see photos without missing heels, obliterated scabbard ends and the like. Some do come out absolutely perfectly. From the looking at the blisters we were sent the Chaos Warrior here, randomly selected, was actually one of the worst.
All I can say is, if you get a bad one, return or exchange…. I was unsure about finecast before I bought one and to be honest i still am. There are far too many miscasts too. Firstly, since all of this pertains directly to tabletop wargaming hence the title of your blog , I will strenuously argue against your very first sentence.
This event could not possibly be of less significance as the material that miniatures are manufactured from have absolutely zero bearing on wargaming. The merits of detail on the model are of negligible benefit as well, as long as the miniature is detailed enough for you to tell what it is. Slap a similar paintjob on those two models and I challenge anybody to tell the difference from four feet away.
This event is of significance only to modellers, who like to look at pretty miniatures on the shelves, not the battlefield. Secondly, as to arguments of is Games Workshop the most expensive miniatures company or not, one must remember the economics of scale. This would be the basic economics where the more of a product you make, the lower your costs are because you can purchase materials more economically in bulk.
Factoring in this, then yes, Games Workshop is indeed the most expensive as nobody else has the sales volume they do. Thirdly, the release of miniatures in a single day is hardly an event, much less a big one, when considering how many of these were previously on the market in metal form.
New is exciting, different is merely different. Hello Paul H — I have to disagree with your comment regarding the lack of significance of detail on wargames models. The blog is called Big Orbit Games, as that is the name of the online shop that this blog belongs to, we make posts on other topics than wargaming, we also cover modelling, board games etc.
Brett — I have to agree that any benefit gained from the move to resin will be felt to the greatest extent on larger miniatures. Hello Paul. I think we all fear what that will be. If it is the former, I feel that I will only be disappointed as GW will make sure they send out only their best quality minis to be reviewed. These kinds of facts are important. I would only suggest trying to come at from the view point of the regular consumer? GW really does have some of the finest stuff on the market.
They make alot of people I know happy, they are profoundly successful. I encourage them to try this avenue, if anyone can do it they can. Their success only encourages compitition, this is a great thing for us consumers. GW is a trend setter, if they trend poorly others will follow.
Not even an attempt to make it sound plausible. But the price increases to everything should bring in the profit they need. Poor show imo. Subject: Advert. Overread Decrepit Dakkanaut UK. Finecast is metal? Finecast is resin Metal is Metal. Finecast is resin Metal is Metal Oh ok thanks. Stevefamine Master of the Hunt Philadelphia. No offence intended, but are you drunk? Casting i. They're just using the proper term for a miniature created in a mold with liquid resin. There are many other words they could have used.
Did they have to even need to mention they were cast? I assumed it was intentional. Grot 6 Fixture of Dakka. AduroT Prescient Cryptek of Eternity. Finecast is to be avoided when all possible. DV8 Speed Drybrushing t. Oh cool. Do you Happen to know is all FW is Resin and all Gw is plastic, im referring to nurgle the great unclean one because im wondering if the GW and FW one is the same material.
Consummate 8th Edition Hater. It's to do with the way it is cast - it is not cast in the traditional way that resin usually is. A few years ago, GW decided that the volatile metals market was a cost too much to bear so they decided to abandon use of metal entirely, however, rather than junk tens of thousands of pounds worth of spin casting machines, they 'adapted' them to spin cast resin, a fairly innovative new technique I'm led to believe.
So they are basically spin casting resin pieces using machinery designed to use molten metal, hence why the GW Finecast stuff has more vents and things than one would normally expect. I don't think they have perfected the process and perhaps they never will; presumably, the 'spin casting resin' is only being used as a stop-gap before they either switch to a different medium ie plastic or they cast in traditional resin moulds.
Nearly everything Forgeworld produces is resin, there's one or two bits of plastic and a few hybrid kits such as the Warpfire Dragon. There might also have been cost and mould elements that came into play which made them choose that formula. Finecast is considerably softer than FW Resin and, it seems still is, plagued by quality control issues way beyond normal even for resin. A FW resin Greater Deamon is not going to be made of soft finecast, it will be a firmer resin material to work with.
Still not as hard as plastic or metal, but firm enough to work with and shouldn't warp with casual use it should be noted all resins will warp if exposed to considerable heat and pressure It sounds like I might hold off on Warplocke Rats and wait until they get updated in plastic or hunt down some of the newer sculpts in metal before they went finecast.
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Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2. Recommended Posts. EccentricCircle Posted September 21, Posted September 21, So: A lot of people seem to be very keen to see resin and by extension metal models phased out completely, and replaced with polystyrene plastic equivalents.
So what do you think? Are you keen for the resin models to be retired, if so what are the main reasons? Are there any point I've overlooked, or problems which you've experienced? I look forward to hearing reading your responses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options Kevlar Posted September 21, Try leaving them in your car on a hot summer day. Kronos Posted September 21, Overread Posted September 21, Resins are very variable and there are lots of different types.
Resins can suffer from a few things though: 1 Bubbles. Most other forms of resin don't have the huge stigma attached to it that finecast has although for some its the only resin they've ever encountered and thus they can mistakenly think its common to all resins Typically resins are not used for mass production, most companies shift over to plastics when they get to very high volumes because resin is a more labour intensive production method than injection plastics.
Warboss Gorbolg Posted September 22, Posted September 22, Bohemond Posted September 22, Posted September 22, edited. Edited September 22, by Bohemond. ManlyMuppet88 Posted September 22, EccentricCircle Posted September 22, Overread Posted September 22, JackStreicher Posted September 22, As a 3D Modelling Freelancer I can tell you my reasons why I prefer plastic over resin: when designing in Resin you have to heavily overdo the thickness of parts that point away from the body since resin breaks easily.
Edited September 22, by JackStreicher. Bellfree Posted September 22, Overread Posted September 23, Posted September 23, Kyriakin Posted September 23, Kramer Posted September 23, Sleboda Posted September 23, Ollie Grimwood Posted September 23, I am amazed by how much needs to be trimmed off in terms of flash from the citadel resin models Resin needs much more human involvement during casting than plastic so for high volume it can be difficult.
Killax Posted September 23, Posted September 23, edited. Edited September 23, by Killax. Edited September 23, by gabbi. Milliput is also useful mixed with water. You can also use the back end of a brush to make a dam like in mashed potatoes. Add water to the center, then the back of the brush can again be used to mash Milliput into the water to mix the wet Milliput concentration needed.
This mix can be brushed onto shallow gaps and produces very smooth results. One note of caution, this mix can cause tide marks much like thin paint, so avoid excessive pooling. The biggest problem with this model was in the shoulder pad rivets. Some were missing or inverted, and Milliput can be difficult to shape uniformly enough to look good. To fix this I proceeded to break open a used Brita water filter. Inside of the filter there is a mix of charcoal shards and styrene balls of varying sizes.
The diameters vary greatly from ball to ball, so choose what works best for the application.. The balls make great rivets and studs, and one filter should be enough for a lifetime of modelling. Carefully establish where a stud needs to go, then use a hobby drill to make a shallow hole the appropriate size so that the ball can be half inserted.
A pin can be dipped into CA glue and applied at the edge. Most hobby drills do not come with bits this small, but Harbor Freight sells a variety pack with many very small bits for a few dollars. The back of the model shows the different Milliput techniques used. The small bubbles in the cape were filled with wet Milliput, while the armor at the top required the sold form. As can be seen from the final two pictures, this model required a lot of work to get up to snuff.
If this were just another troop it might be easy to overlook some of these shortcomings, but as it is the master of my army, it was worth the extra time and effort needed. My problem is I always miss some of those gusset things until I am in the middle of painting. Is there any way to tell what is a gusset and what is part of the model? Or is it pretty much go online and learn from someone who has done it before? It can be difficult.
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